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  1. A lot of ox’s going to get gored. Just what I’d expect for the inauguration of an outsider. That’s fine. At minimum, we’re now going to have a more honest administration about their intentions, and we won’t be going to war with Russia.


  2. Something also to consider when comparing the two pictures is the fact that many of the permits for gatherings on the national Mall were rejected in order to keep protests from occurring.


  3. Yet he won. Almost half of americans voted for him. Reagan was announced as a war seeker and yet he wasn’t a bad president. More moderate than others «moderate». Let’s judge him after a year. He is bully but he will be overwhelmed by responsibilities as well.


  4. John Holme

    Obama was a novelty as the first black president who a lot of us had supported based on his rhetoric (which was very progressive). But ‘all talk and no game’ is what we got. A faux progressive who spoke progressive and was articulate but who carried water for the military/surveillance/corporate state for eight disastrous years.


  5. Greg S 62 979 879 votes for trump VS 65 844 954 for Clinton. Give the man a chance. I’m sure, and i hope for the americans, that he will surprise in a positive way.


  6. Marco Nobile Uh… what? What are those numbers supposed to demonstrate besides that Trump lost the popular vote?

    Trump does not need «a chance.» His very first signature today directly hurt a lot of people – probably quite a few of whom actually voted for him. He and his administration need to be resisted at every step.


  7. Greg S  demonstrate that, as i said before, almost half of the americans voted for him. Not less of 20% like you said. The electoral law was clear from the beginning . I know that numbers were against him from the beginning and yet he won against the opposite party and his own party as well. He really doesn’t lack self confidence and this can be important if he doesn’t go too far. I’m italian so i’m just partially interested but i say to you fellow americans: just give this man a chance (not that it would change much if you don’t because he earned it despite everything).


  8. A handy graphic to explain the <20% number is right here:

    America does not have any requirement for citizens to vote, or even to register to vote, unlike some other countries (Australia comes to mind). More people actually did not vote than voted for Trump.

    And what’s this about not lacking self confidence? I think you’re reading him entirely wrong. He’s far from confident, but he blusters into situations because he has no idea what he’s doing, and no idea that he might be doing anything wrong. You might want to Google search on the word «affluenza» – like the kid you’ll find when you do, Trump pretty clearly never got told «no» during his formative years.

    So no, he doesn’t deserve a chance. He needs to be limited as much as possible, because he’ll damage everything he touches.


  9. Greg S Interesting graphic, really, but it changes very little because my point was that he had almost the same votes of the Clinton. So the photo (according with the numbers)wouldn’t have been very different if Clinton won. He won and he will be the president of USA i don’t see why don’t give him a shot (not the shot lots would like ahaha pun intended)


  10. Marco Nobile The problem is that the two approaches to governing are very different, and the one we have now gladly embraces hate, racism (all the way to white supremacy), homophobia, misogyny, and blatant corruption. It’s not the potential difference in the photo that matters, but the effects that they may have on this country, including some particularly bad long-term ones involving our Supreme Court.

    We will NOT give such an administration «a shot» – why would we? What possible theoretical benefit might result, vs. the practical damage we’re seeing already?


  11. Marco Nobile And yes, the fact remains, less than 20% of Americans voted for him – in fact, he wouldn’t have won at all except for the distribution of people who did. Very few people here actually want him to be the president. The sizes of the marches to be seen tomorrow, compared with the crowds that attended his inauguration, will demonstrate this quite clearly, I expect.


  12. Greg S Nope, we’ve got a working president for the working people. Glad I voted for him and am looking forward to seeing what he does. I gleeefully watch all his detractors lying and seething about all the hate he enbodies, ingoring that he’s a firm supporter of gay rights and has given to a remarkable amount of charities. This is why he won. We got sick of the left lying to us blatantly and we were being told that we were bad people and to shut up just because we have a different idea of the function of government.

    Your side sowed this. Now reap.


  13. Marty Nozz Working on what? Hurting the working people by screwing with mortgages? Taking away their health care?

    Sounds like you’ve got a bad case of wool-over-the-eyes. I suspect that’ll be cured soon, though, if what he’s showing with his cabinet picks and initial actions holds true.


  14. Over the top unfounded Liberal angst … so cute! Almost as cute as a Nobel Peace Prize winner bombing the hell outta 7 countries and killing countless innocents with drones going after individual terrorists, while terrorists on the Nobel Peace Prize winner’s payroll destroy much of Iraq and Syria … but hilarious is when The Warmonger Candidate blames Russia for her loss!!! And what extreme %age voted for her? 😅 About … the same?

    Liberal Progressives (which are neither) continually lie, continually whine, and people outside Liberal Meccas are sick to death of the continual bullshit. That’s why she lost and he won. All the «hate» and «racist» and «homophobe» stuff is just more over the top unadulterated bullshit. Heard it 10,000 times, knew it was bullshit the first time, don’t become one iota less bullshit after the 100,000th time.


  15. Greg S The ACA made it impossible for me to get health insurance and its regulations caused my neighbor to lose his business. It may help some people, but it harmed far too many. Kill it with fire, and put something in its place that everyone can live with. And the policy on mortgages in place now is the same one that led to the housing bubble, and we remember what happened when that burst. Although we do forget that it was the democrats that put it in place. Whenver something was attempted to stop it before catastrophy hit Republicans were accused to taking away people’s homes.

    Guess what? Not everyone should have a house. Some people should just have an apartment because they can’t afford for whatever reason to pay for a mortgage.

    So, the wool hasn’t been pulled over my eyes. I live in the real world and was directly hurt by the policies of the previous adiminstration. So good riddance to it.


  16. Marty Nozz Lovely anecdotes you’ve got there – any details to back them up with? (For instance, how would the ACA make it «impossible» for anyone to get health insurance?)

    And what, exactly, can be put in its place «that everyone can live with»? Already, if it’s dismantled, many will die from losing their health coverage – and anything that could be put in its place that would be superior would have to inherit quite a few specific elements from the ACA, like some way for coverage (and cost/risk pooling) to be universal and blind to pre-existing conditions…


  17. Greg S The ACA made demands on the very minimum insurance I had to get for myself and my family, and the lowest price to found was over $900 per month. They offered the very generous substitiy of $16 per month. So it was pretty much choose between keep a roof over our heads or get health insurence. So we had to do without, because paying hundreds of dollars in fines is better than paying thousands of dollars for insurence that would not kick in until medical bills exceed two grand. That’s how the ACA screwed me. So after years of having the healthcare plan of drink a shit load of oragne juice and hope for the best there should be no surprise that I voted Republican with great enthusiasm.

    And no unviersal healthcare is not the answer. The government does an awful job when it comes to healthcare. If you need an example, look no further than the VA.

    Coverage of pre-existing conditions is one thing that everyone agrees one. It one of the very few things that the ACA does right. However, having one good thing does now excuse burying it in tons of horrible shit.


  18. Marty Nozz So wait, you’re saying you effectively didn’t have healthcare before, and you couldn’t shop around for a plan you could afford afterwards…?

    And yes, universal healthcare is the answer. Any other answer is basically «tell some people they just have to die.»


  19. Greg S No, I had healthcare before the ACA went into effect. That plan was lost (to be fair, not due to the ACA but for other reasons), and finding a replacement that could be afforded was made impossible by the ACA.

    And no, universal healthcare is a pipedream for those who want the government to take care of them. It leads to price controls, which make physicians (who typically enter the field was hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt in student loans) unable to pay off those loans and make a living. You also end up with poor healthcare as a result as well as miserable wait times for treatment in which people can also suffer and die.

    Once more, look at the VA hospitals. That is government run healthcare. Its a nightmare that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. There were and are government run heathcare plans in place for those who are having money problems: medicare and medicaid. When the government can manage to run these three thing effectively, then you can have the discussion on universal healthcare. Until then, no fucking way.


  20. Greg S You mean socialist countries, and if you want universal healthcare so much, Canada is right next door. Go on and try it. See how it works out for you. Better hope you don’t ever need it.

    America has the best healthcare in the world. The ACA screwed that up a bit, because while we are the best there were still problems. It attacked the problems from the wrong direction and while it made things better for some, it made things much worse for others.

    And we’re not giving up on being the best. That’s why we voted how we did.


  21. Marty Nozz Sure. Democratic Socialism (note: not «Socialist») is where all the first-world action is these days. And «best healthcare in the world»? If by «best» you mean «most expensive per-capita» with a side of mediocre outcomes, maybe.

    Your insistence that electing a demagogue without any concrete plans or even a good definition of what «best» means is going to be somehow helpful to this country is particularly humorous.


  22. Greg S No. Its Socialism. You can put all the modifiers on it you want, but its still rubbish. And you havien’t seen what Trump is going to do yet. No one has. Your side was so insistent we we give Obama a chance and we did. I certainly did. You can go sit and wait, and see how it turns out. And our healthcare is better in terms of quality. Cost sucks, but the ACA was supposed to fix that. Unfortunately, they went about the problem from the entirely wrong angle and did not look at why the costs are so high. If they had then tort reform would have been part of it. The Democrats made the problem worse, now we get to see if the Republicans can make it better.

    John Holme My sources are people in the actual field who have to keep up with things. I have multiple members of my family and many friends in the various fields. When I say best it is in terms of quality. Cost is a problem because there’s been serious need of reforms in medicare, medicaid, as well as looking at simplifying the mountains of red tape that is involved in the insurence process. And of course as i mentioned earlier, tort reform.

    Looking at life expectancy isn’t a very accurate barometer as to quality of healthcare for an area. You used Japan for example and that includes Okinawa which is top of the charts in terms of life expectancy. Their diets over there are much different than the US. I just finished watching a really nice series on YouTube in which a person went to Okinawa and you got a nice look at their culture. Just a snapshot mind you, but it touched on a lot of diet. The life expectancy issue is more a matter of life style and not healthcare. You can’t exercise away a bad diet, and the America does have a serious problem with how we take care of ourselves. But that’s our problem as individuals and a separate matter.

    So in conclusion, and because this is really boring the shit out of me at this point: we’re a lot better off than a lot of places in the world, and I’m quite glad with the leadership we elected. If you’re not, well you get another go at it in fours years.


  23. Marty Nozz Ah, oversimplification. I guess whatever it takes for you to overcome the cognitive dissonance coming from calling things that are different the same, huh?

    Also, you haven’t been paying attention since November 8th, huh? His cabinet picks? The first actions he took after inauguration?

    The less Trump does, the better this country will do. Unfortunately, I suspect the GOP is also of that state of mind. I don’t think he’s going to last long in this position.


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